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		<title>By: Serena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! I just found you through Havi&#039;s blog. I really liked this post. It caught my eye because my boyfriend and I have such different hiking styles. He powers to the top, making it a race, turning around and saying &quot;Are you coming?&quot; WHile I like to meander and look at the pretty trees and &quot;Oooh a mushroom!&quot; and if I try to keep up with him I am just a sweaty miserable mess. Recently we went to Hawaii and somehow we didn&#039;t end up doing any of the absolutely killer 10 mile gotta do &#039;em in 4 hours hikes... we just hung out and wandered aimlessly. We hiked down into a valley but got a ride back up from a local, which he never would have done cause the work to get back up would have been the point for him. Anyway, he says it;s the best vacation he&#039;s ever had. 

Sometimes I feel bad that I hold him back when he wants to rush like that since I just can&#039;t take that kind of goal seriously for some reason. But maybe the other perspective helps each of us and gives us balance. 

That being said I am still with you guys on starting something like Yoga and thinking....hmmmm... maybe someday I could teach this and open my own studio and... and....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! I just found you through Havi&#8217;s blog. I really liked this post. It caught my eye because my boyfriend and I have such different hiking styles. He powers to the top, making it a race, turning around and saying &#8220;Are you coming?&#8221; WHile I like to meander and look at the pretty trees and &#8220;Oooh a mushroom!&#8221; and if I try to keep up with him I am just a sweaty miserable mess. Recently we went to Hawaii and somehow we didn&#8217;t end up doing any of the absolutely killer 10 mile gotta do &#8216;em in 4 hours hikes&#8230; we just hung out and wandered aimlessly. We hiked down into a valley but got a ride back up from a local, which he never would have done cause the work to get back up would have been the point for him. Anyway, he says it;s the best vacation he&#8217;s ever had. </p>
<p>Sometimes I feel bad that I hold him back when he wants to rush like that since I just can&#8217;t take that kind of goal seriously for some reason. But maybe the other perspective helps each of us and gives us balance. </p>
<p>That being said I am still with you guys on starting something like Yoga and thinking&#8230;.hmmmm&#8230; maybe someday I could teach this and open my own studio and&#8230; and&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lydia, Clueless Crafter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lydia, Clueless Crafter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you and I are much alike it seems.  I love a challenge, asking more of myself when I should just be.  From reading your post, I sense ever more that my attitude of cluelessness has been helping me more than I could have imagined.  Initially, I was afraid that people would think I was being a clown because I lacked self-esteem (even I was afraid that I could be suggesting that or worse, work at having low esteem), but my position has been totally freeing!

I go about things without judgement a bit more these days.  Of course, I will always judge; however, when I laugh it off, it no longer has its claws on me.

Happy I came by today.
.-= Lydia, Clueless Crafter&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thecluelesscrafter.com/2010/01/knit-wit-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Knit Wit&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you and I are much alike it seems.  I love a challenge, asking more of myself when I should just be.  From reading your post, I sense ever more that my attitude of cluelessness has been helping me more than I could have imagined.  Initially, I was afraid that people would think I was being a clown because I lacked self-esteem (even I was afraid that I could be suggesting that or worse, work at having low esteem), but my position has been totally freeing!</p>
<p>I go about things without judgement a bit more these days.  Of course, I will always judge; however, when I laugh it off, it no longer has its claws on me.</p>
<p>Happy I came by today.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Lydia, Clueless Crafter&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.thecluelesscrafter.com/2010/01/knit-wit-2/" rel="nofollow">Knit Wit</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.victoriabrouhard.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All activity must produce something&quot;

Oh my goodness, I can totally relate! I used to have a craft hobby that I approached this way. Plus, I used to put a lot of pressure on myself when I was writing to make everything I wrote &quot;sellable.&quot; It really took a toll on my ability to enjoy the writing process. 

Now I&#039;m working on relaxing and enjoying the flow of the process. The whole &quot;results-oriented&quot; thing is a hard habit to break, but as Dawn said, &quot;slowly, sloooowly..&quot;
.-= Michelle&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://theentrepreneurswritingtoolbox.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/why-is-this-writing-stuff-important-to-me/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why is this Writing Stuff so Important, Anyway?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All activity must produce something&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh my goodness, I can totally relate! I used to have a craft hobby that I approached this way. Plus, I used to put a lot of pressure on myself when I was writing to make everything I wrote &#8220;sellable.&#8221; It really took a toll on my ability to enjoy the writing process. </p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m working on relaxing and enjoying the flow of the process. The whole &#8220;results-oriented&#8221; thing is a hard habit to break, but as Dawn said, &#8220;slowly, sloooowly..&#8221;<br />
<span class="cluv"> Michelle&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://theentrepreneurswritingtoolbox.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/why-is-this-writing-stuff-important-to-me/" rel="nofollow">Why is this Writing Stuff so Important, Anyway?</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.victoriabrouhard.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dawn - I&#039;m so glad it&#039;s helpful...it&#039;s easy for me to convince myself that it&#039;s only useful to me. So, whew!

And I hear you on the &quot;sloooowly&quot; because it&#039;s been really slow for me, too. Hard to imagine that it will ever be 100% unraveled, but all I can do is keep bringing awareness to it and see where that leads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dawn &#8211; I&#8217;m so glad it&#8217;s helpful&#8230;it&#8217;s easy for me to convince myself that it&#8217;s only useful to me. So, whew!</p>
<p>And I hear you on the &#8220;sloooowly&#8221; because it&#8217;s been really slow for me, too. Hard to imagine that it will ever be 100% unraveled, but all I can do is keep bringing awareness to it and see where that leads.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really only have two things:
1. I can totally relate to doing things to extremes. Slowly, slowly, sloooowly unlearning this pattern. And learning to detangle the overwhelm that comes with all of it.
2. Thank you for writing about your process. For me, at least, the process is how I learn. One of my favorite professors from graduate school consistently reminded us to &quot;trust the process.&quot; So simple but so damn hard to do some days. Her words kept coming to mind as I read your post.

Thanks, again, for sharing. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really only have two things:<br />
1. I can totally relate to doing things to extremes. Slowly, slowly, sloooowly unlearning this pattern. And learning to detangle the overwhelm that comes with all of it.<br />
2. Thank you for writing about your process. For me, at least, the process is how I learn. One of my favorite professors from graduate school consistently reminded us to &#8220;trust the process.&#8221; So simple but so damn hard to do some days. Her words kept coming to mind as I read your post.</p>
<p>Thanks, again, for sharing. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Mobile Pants &#124; Sparky Firepants: Inside the Pants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mobile Pants &#124; Sparky Firepants: Inside the Pants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 00:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gina - Great point...I guess it *is* what we&#039;re taught to do. So I guess that makes me &quot;normal.&quot; LOL

@Katherine - Glad to hear you can relate! That is one of the things I like about Dance of Shiva is that it really does absorb 100% of my attention if I challenge myself. But I guess it&#039;s debatable whether or not that can be called &quot;fun.&quot; :)

@Patty K - Oh my goodness I have totally done the same thing - considered doing something that&#039;s just for fun and then given up on it before I even start because just by looking at it it becomes something else. (Whoa, did I just make a Schroedinger&#039;s Cat reference?)

@CathyD - &quot;Who made these rules and why am I still living by them?&quot; Yes! I think that as we get older, we become more aware of this, and then the process of &quot;shedding&quot; our willingness to live by them begins. I&#039;ve definitely noticed that as I&#039;ve worked on accepting my need for solitude (for example), it&#039;s gotten easier, and I no longer feel as guilty for building my life in ways that supports that trait.

@kate - Funny that you mentioned reading Chick Lit and then &quot;fighting the guilties&quot; (love that) for not doing something purposeful! I think I read only non-fiction books for at least 15 years (if not 20) for that very reason. My first one was a semi-trashy detective novel, which I only gave myself permission to read because I had 4 hours to kill on a plane. I&#039;d say two years is long enough - you are overdue for some guilty pleasure!

@Alicia - &quot;Productivity equals tacit permission. Because I’m working, not playing. (Because playing is *selfish.*)&quot; Ooh...yes, you just hit on something I deal with, too. And it runs deep. Thank you for sharing that here. But, if it helps, you have my full permission to let that stuck be, and not add it to a list of &quot;stucks to be worked on&quot; or anything. We can just pretend we didn&#039;t have this conversation. *whistles*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gina &#8211; Great point&#8230;I guess it *is* what we&#8217;re taught to do. So I guess that makes me &#8220;normal.&#8221; LOL</p>
<p>@Katherine &#8211; Glad to hear you can relate! That is one of the things I like about Dance of Shiva is that it really does absorb 100% of my attention if I challenge myself. But I guess it&#8217;s debatable whether or not that can be called &#8220;fun.&#8221; :)</p>
<p>@Patty K &#8211; Oh my goodness I have totally done the same thing &#8211; considered doing something that&#8217;s just for fun and then given up on it before I even start because just by looking at it it becomes something else. (Whoa, did I just make a Schroedinger&#8217;s Cat reference?)</p>
<p>@CathyD &#8211; &#8220;Who made these rules and why am I still living by them?&#8221; Yes! I think that as we get older, we become more aware of this, and then the process of &#8220;shedding&#8221; our willingness to live by them begins. I&#8217;ve definitely noticed that as I&#8217;ve worked on accepting my need for solitude (for example), it&#8217;s gotten easier, and I no longer feel as guilty for building my life in ways that supports that trait.</p>
<p>@kate &#8211; Funny that you mentioned reading Chick Lit and then &#8220;fighting the guilties&#8221; (love that) for not doing something purposeful! I think I read only non-fiction books for at least 15 years (if not 20) for that very reason. My first one was a semi-trashy detective novel, which I only gave myself permission to read because I had 4 hours to kill on a plane. I&#8217;d say two years is long enough &#8211; you are overdue for some guilty pleasure!</p>
<p>@Alicia &#8211; &#8220;Productivity equals tacit permission. Because I’m working, not playing. (Because playing is *selfish.*)&#8221; Ooh&#8230;yes, you just hit on something I deal with, too. And it runs deep. Thank you for sharing that here. But, if it helps, you have my full permission to let that stuck be, and not add it to a list of &#8220;stucks to be worked on&#8221; or anything. We can just pretend we didn&#8217;t have this conversation. *whistles*</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh boy - I totally grok this.

Especially #2: I think that for me I have to *justify* doing things I enjoy that take away time or attention from the other people in my life. Like, if I were to spend hours a day noodling in my recording studio for fun (grinning like a very happy person, like I do) while my husband wrangled children, that would not be OK. But since it&#039;s for my business, it&#039;s OK. 

Productivity equals tacit permission. Because I&#039;m working, not playing. (Because playing is *selfish.*)

Eeek, writing that out makes me very uncomfortable - like I needed more stuck to work on :)

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh boy &#8211; I totally grok this.</p>
<p>Especially #2: I think that for me I have to *justify* doing things I enjoy that take away time or attention from the other people in my life. Like, if I were to spend hours a day noodling in my recording studio for fun (grinning like a very happy person, like I do) while my husband wrangled children, that would not be OK. But since it&#8217;s for my business, it&#8217;s OK. </p>
<p>Productivity equals tacit permission. Because I&#8217;m working, not playing. (Because playing is *selfish.*)</p>
<p>Eeek, writing that out makes me very uncomfortable &#8211; like I needed more stuck to work on :)</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yup, i am in this camp too!!  it&#039;s like you were writing the same conversation i have with myself all the time!  

i finally stopped and asked myself - does &#039;creating to produce&#039; and &#039;constant improvement&#039; make me happy?  is that where the joy comes from in doing these things?  and basically the answer is YES!  (most of the time).  that said, i found that just sitting and watching tv or listening to a pod cast makes me very antsy - i can&#039;t just sit and pay attention, my mind wonders too much!  (unless totally drained, etc.) so for me, crocheting is just enough when my brain can no longer function and i want to do something rythmic and relaxing while watching tv or listening to music or whatever.  

the only thing i have found that i can successfully singletask and it does not leave me drained or turn into a &#039;production&#039; is:  Reading a book

And really, for relaxing the best are whatever Chick Lit is out there at the moment.  Then i just fight the guilties for not doing something that is good for me or purposeful or improving my mind etc.   Then i tell my brain to &#039;shut it!&#039; and i read and wake up on the other side of the imagination dream refreshed and with renewed perspective.    this does not happen nearly enough.  but thanks for making me think!  you have just managed to remind me that i need to do this.  I havent ready a guilty pleasure book in over 2 years.  (!!!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yup, i am in this camp too!!  it&#8217;s like you were writing the same conversation i have with myself all the time!  </p>
<p>i finally stopped and asked myself &#8211; does &#8216;creating to produce&#8217; and &#8216;constant improvement&#8217; make me happy?  is that where the joy comes from in doing these things?  and basically the answer is YES!  (most of the time).  that said, i found that just sitting and watching tv or listening to a pod cast makes me very antsy &#8211; i can&#8217;t just sit and pay attention, my mind wonders too much!  (unless totally drained, etc.) so for me, crocheting is just enough when my brain can no longer function and i want to do something rythmic and relaxing while watching tv or listening to music or whatever.  </p>
<p>the only thing i have found that i can successfully singletask and it does not leave me drained or turn into a &#8216;production&#8217; is:  Reading a book</p>
<p>And really, for relaxing the best are whatever Chick Lit is out there at the moment.  Then i just fight the guilties for not doing something that is good for me or purposeful or improving my mind etc.   Then i tell my brain to &#8216;shut it!&#8217; and i read and wake up on the other side of the imagination dream refreshed and with renewed perspective.    this does not happen nearly enough.  but thanks for making me think!  you have just managed to remind me that i need to do this.  I havent ready a guilty pleasure book in over 2 years.  (!!!!)</p>
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		<title>By: CathyD</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved the post!!  I can relate, but mostly in an almost opposite way.. 
I agree with what Bridget said above, &quot;Maybe we measure because we’re not actually in the moment enjoying it. Like if we really liked it, we wouldn’t measure it? I don’t know. Something to ponder.&quot;

I do that with running.  I cannot abide the idea of, say, running without my stopwatch to clock my exact time to the fraction of a second and to see if I beat yesterday&#039;s time.  (So, naturally, i have to go the same route everyday so I can judge my progress.)

But for other stuff like needlepoint, I have a much more laissez-faire, &quot;let it flow&quot; attitude.  While it is satisfying to complete a kit, for example, I can easily lose myself in the process of doing it.  I can watch TV while stitching or not -- different experience for both.

I also agree with Gina&#039;s comment.  Being productive and results-oriented is drummed into our heads from childhood on, especially once we get into school.  Our culture looks askance at daydreaming, imagination, &quot;process&quot;, that &quot;flow&quot; feeling you might have had fingerpainting as a 4 year old... that any of us can manage to get ourselves back into that create-for-the-joy-of-it state at all is pretty darned impressive! :D  (And for all we -- as a culture -- trumpet individuality, we really value conformity.  IMHO.)

So, in my own life as the age 50 milestone looms ahead, I&#039;m finally figuring out that I&#039;m tired of feeling guilty and/or bad about who I am and the way I operate at work and home.   I&#039;m the Queen of Beating Myself Up for Who I Am.   I am all for self-improvement but am finally learning the value of self-acceptance.  

Why is being outgoing, for example, &quot;better&quot; than being introverted?  Why is being imaginative &quot;worse&quot; than being practical?  Why am I kicking myself for not molding myself into a cookie cutter shape?  Who made these rules and why am I still living by them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved the post!!  I can relate, but mostly in an almost opposite way..<br />
I agree with what Bridget said above, &#8220;Maybe we measure because we’re not actually in the moment enjoying it. Like if we really liked it, we wouldn’t measure it? I don’t know. Something to ponder.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do that with running.  I cannot abide the idea of, say, running without my stopwatch to clock my exact time to the fraction of a second and to see if I beat yesterday&#8217;s time.  (So, naturally, i have to go the same route everyday so I can judge my progress.)</p>
<p>But for other stuff like needlepoint, I have a much more laissez-faire, &#8220;let it flow&#8221; attitude.  While it is satisfying to complete a kit, for example, I can easily lose myself in the process of doing it.  I can watch TV while stitching or not &#8212; different experience for both.</p>
<p>I also agree with Gina&#8217;s comment.  Being productive and results-oriented is drummed into our heads from childhood on, especially once we get into school.  Our culture looks askance at daydreaming, imagination, &#8220;process&#8221;, that &#8220;flow&#8221; feeling you might have had fingerpainting as a 4 year old&#8230; that any of us can manage to get ourselves back into that create-for-the-joy-of-it state at all is pretty darned impressive! :D  (And for all we &#8212; as a culture &#8212; trumpet individuality, we really value conformity.  IMHO.)</p>
<p>So, in my own life as the age 50 milestone looms ahead, I&#8217;m finally figuring out that I&#8217;m tired of feeling guilty and/or bad about who I am and the way I operate at work and home.   I&#8217;m the Queen of Beating Myself Up for Who I Am.   I am all for self-improvement but am finally learning the value of self-acceptance.  </p>
<p>Why is being outgoing, for example, &#8220;better&#8221; than being introverted?  Why is being imaginative &#8220;worse&#8221; than being practical?  Why am I kicking myself for not molding myself into a cookie cutter shape?  Who made these rules and why am I still living by them?</p>
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